Thursday, December 10, 2015

087: Hyper-Intelligent Shrews

 In this episode:
  • We discuss writing horror, including our past experiences with it and what we've learned while writing it.
  • A lot of it ends up being more about writing in general.
  • We reminisce about previous stories and our early years of writing.
  • And we inevitably tangent.
  • A lot.
  • The Eban Schletter podcast I mentioned: Fantastical Musicorium
  • It's Cold in this House on AMoT Podcast
  • In case this is our last podcast this year, happy holidays, and look for a new episode in the New Year!
  • Apologies for the lateness on this episode. We had trouble getting our schedule to work out with a guest, and then they ended up not being able to do it, but by the time we figured that out, it was Thanksgiving, and...yeah, you get the idea. 
  • "This is My Design" - Ian Doherty | SoundCloud | Bandcamp |
  • "A Change of Heart (Sloppy WIP Version)" - Ian Doherty

Friday, October 30, 2015

086: Crimson Peak (2015) - None More Gothic
This is currently my desktop background. O_O

SPOILERS FOR CRIMSON PEAK (2015). Also spoilers for The Ghost Brothers of Darkland County (YEAH IAN BRINGING IN THE OBSCURE REFERENCES) and Dark Floors (2008).

In this episode:
  • We give our thoughts on Guillermo del Toro's Gothic masterpiece, Crimson Peak!
  • ...after everyone else has already done so.
  • Charming Tom Hiddleston is all charming
  • The structure of the reveals is done quite well and the pacing of the reveals is effective
    • The opening section of the film is mad clunky, though and the ghost thing is heavy handed
  • The most Gothic mansion in Gothic fiction history
  • The pairing of Lucille vs Edith and the way that’s seeded throughout the early film
  • The confusion over various misdirects in the film re: whether the Sharpes were supernatural beings or not
  • How many Guillermo del Toro mainstays can we spot?
  • Poor adaptations and their difficulty making the boring milquetoast male lead interesting
  • The ridiculous amount of money spent on production design in this film
  • Links:
  • Happy Halloween!
  • Is it still necessary to capitalize the word "Gothic"? I'm getting red underlines when I don't capitalize it.
  • Highlights from Fio's timestamps:
    • 24:08 - “Like it seems like” real fuckin eloquent, Fio
    • 29:36 - My “hrrrII hab no idea” is bullseye Hiddleston. Just sayin
    • 34:06 - “I can’t remember the name of the movie…” Groundhog Day? Ian from the future: Figured it out. It was Dark Floors. Hit a lot of points for me aesthetically, but didn't quite bring it together in a satisfying way.
    • 50:46 - I meant to say red blazer here, not red sportscoat, but whatevs. Also, I know Harker’s job involved real estate in some way, and he was helping arrange Dracula’s purchase of some land in London and stuff, but I don’t remember what his exact function in the process was.
    • I dunno, by the time I got to that Chastain line with “I’m not going to stop until I kill you or you kill me” I was firmly in the camp that there’s nothing supernatural about the Sharpes

Wednesday, September 23, 2015

085: Hannibal Retrospective - Everything Has to Happen…So Much

SPOILERS FOR ALL THREE SEASONS OF HANNIBAL, and potential spoilers for where they plan(ned) to take the series next.

In this episode:
  • Cleolinda Jones joins us once again! We discuss the Hannibal panels at Dragon Con 2015 and the way the Hannibal TV series wrapped up.
  • Cleo's Dragon Con experience was pretty awesome.
  • Our discussion of Dragon Con mixes with our discussion of the Hannibal Finale.
    • We get very deeply into discussions of the placement of Bedelia’s final scene, joking ways that Hannibal and Will could have survived, and the ramifications of the finale on all of Will’s emotional connections were the show to continue and he actually run off to Argentina with Hannibal.
  • At 1:25:52, we begin our discussion about Hannibal as a show in a broader context, including how Bryan Fuller handled the show and its community, the contrast between the first and second halves of Season 3 (and the reasons thereof), and how we feel about the show as a whole.
  • Links:
  • Keep us in your podcast feed! We're moving to a monthly format, so stay tuned next month for a special, Halloween-themed episode.
  • Alternate titles for this episode:
    • God, Tennis Balls
    • Get Weird With The Lithuanian?
    • Playing Around With Tiny Flaming Homoerotic Birds
  • Highlights from Fio's timestamps:
    • 36:38 - “Or something stupid like that” - Ian on American education. Ian from the future: “Critical Thinking,” that’s the homework question section I was thinking of.
    • The Sordid Activities of Scott Thompson and Aaron Abrams
      • “They should take it on the road” Yeah they should. Sorry, I’m terrible.
      • Cleo shouldn’t feel bad about not being able to talk to famous people, I totally clammed up while meeting Gail Simone in bmore.
    • “You can’t do that, people won’t be on board with that” - And the ratings told them that they were right, hahaha
    • Man, we could probably talk about The Satanic Verses and its intrusive narrator forever.
    • We get mad sappy about this show, dude.

    Wednesday, September 2, 2015

    084: Hannibal 3x13 "The Wrath of the Lamb" - Hannibal and the Wonderful, Fantastic, Murderous, Very Best Day Ever

    None more artful. *sniff*

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) THE HANNIBAL SEASON 3 FINALE, as well as for the novels and movies Manhunter, Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal.

    In this episode:
    • Alright, wipe away your tears, time to start talkin’ bout, talkin’ bout the Hannibal finale
    • Vic joins us once again to discuss Hannibal 3x13 "The Wrath of the Lamb," including everything, and all of it happening so very, very much.
    • Running to the end of this season, we basically have a full exploration of Will’s character when it comes to the source material.
    • The article Fio references: Tracking Hannibal Lecter, from Manhunter to Red Dragon
    • Book purist reactions and the deviations from the source material that have been inherent in Fuller’s “remixing” strategy since the beginning.
    • Comparing and contrasting the various Dolarhyde stories, especially in reference to Reba’s story’s conclusion.
    • The problem of Jack becoming more of a side character this season as opposed to his more central role in previous seasons.
      • In her Aperitivo recap, Cleo actually gets deeper into the differing emotional ramifications of the show’s relationship between Hannibal and Crawford and the Book/Movie’s which we touch on only briefly here, but it’s good to mention.
    • Digesting the reaction to the Hannibal Finale (see what I did there?)
    • Is this really as close as we’re going to get to Hannigram Confirmed? 
    • Stay tuned in a couple of weeks for our series retrospective episode with Cleolinda Jones!
    • I got nothin', so here are the highlights from Fio's timestamps:
      • Hashtags are just stupid and funny. I don’t know why, but they are.
      • I don’t agree with Vic’s reading of Red Dragon / Silence of the Lambs / Hannibal in regards to Will Graham vs Clarice, but I think we got away from it before I could interject. In Red Dragon, Hannibal completely fucking destroys Will so bad he becomes nothing more than a footnote in someone else’s narrative by the end of it, but in Hannibal he acknowledges that he can’t even predict how what he did would change Clarice, so I think my reading of the books is kind of the opposite of what he was proposing.
      • Yes you do want to say “fall under Hannibal’s spell” admit it. ADMIT IT IAN
      • Will absolutely will not go to jail after the jailbreak because Murder Wizardry > Real world experience in this show. Every damn time.

    Wednesday, August 26, 2015

    082: Hannibal 3x12 " The Number of the Beast is 666(...)" - If You Play Chicken With The Abyss...

    (Cue fingersnaps and Dolarhyde getting ready to rumble with some Sharks)

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x12 and RED DRAGON (Book, Movie, whaddaya got), SILENT HILL (Movies and games), SPAWN (Todd MacFarlane gives good cape), SINISTER, SINISTER 2 (No real spoilers, just that it's terrible)

    In this episode:
      • So, that happened.
    • Chilton has layers in this adaptation. Get out your Shrek jokes now.
      • All the love to Raul Esparza
    • Nah, but for real, we spend a lot of time talking about the Dolarhyde/Chilton scene so... you know... strap in for that.
    • Bedelia has moved into a very sinister, alien place in the Hannibal mythos
      • Also, I didn't think we were gonna compare Bedelia to Scully at all, but whatever, here we are, everything's Hannibal and everything Hurts.
    • We also talk about the origins of the Bedelia character as we know her.
    • Will's character progression and how his somewhat-regression-y-motions during this episode are super really important.
    • How certain are we that Will's responsible for Chilton's predicament and how conscious was he about this happening?
    • The fact that Armitage has managed to make his performance so distinct from Fiennes while walking a lot of the same ground is frankly astonishing.
    • Our (super-vague, unsatisfying) predictions for the way the finale is going to shake out.
    • How exactly do you read the last scene between Dolarhyde and Reba?
    • We're running lean this week this folks, so no real notes from timestamps to speak of, which is a shame, we know you love our sloppy excuse for wit.
    • Lots of thanks to @princess_starr for reminding us how cruel Bryan Fuller can be and to @munin_and_hugin for pointing out the staples (to me at least).
    • Ian delivers "I was lying... on yOUR BEHALF!" really well, if anybody's looking to audition voice actors, give him a ring.
    • Ian mentions Bedelia talking about being Hannibal's bride, but I'm pretty sure she's making a Bluebeard reference in that scene.
      • Just poking you with this one, Ian.

    Thursday, August 20, 2015

    082: Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea" - He's a Helper

    That's...not a GOOD sound...

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x11

    In this episode:
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea," including the adaptation and departure from book material, Richard Armitage and Mads Mikkelsen's performances, Nina Arianda as Molly, and OMGWTFCINEMATOGRAPHY.
    • Dolarhyde trying to pass on the dragon to a new host or to sate it with Will’s family
    • Hannibal has in fact always told the truth, in his own way.
    • Hannibal - Textbook Egotist
    • The measured conversation between Will and his step-son
    • "Wolves in the Heart" and its connection to the duality of Dolarhyde and the Dragon
    • What’s really well done about the home invasion scene is that it allows Molly and Walter to escape without making Dolarhyde do something stupid. They earn their exit.
    • Again, apologies for the delay. This week and next week have been/will be particularly busy for me, so there may be some shuffling again. After next week, though, things lighten up, so we'll definitely be back on schedule for the finale, if not for next week. Hopefully.
    • Huh--I think I was looking for the word "fable" when talking about that Cherokee story, but the site I linked to (which I just found while Googling now) calls it a parable as well.
      • So this story is not actually Native American in origin, it seems to originate from a 1978 book "The Holy Spirit" by Christian Evangelist Billy Graham. Thanks to @munin_and_hugin on Twitter for providing the source.
    • Just one highlight from Fio's notes this week: 46:00 - “I feel like we’ve only been talking for like 45 minutes or so” One minute, Ian. One minute away frOM GLOOOOOORY

    Thursday, August 6, 2015

    080: Hannibal 3x09 "...And the Woman Clothed with the Sun" - Dances Frolarhyde

    ...Is THAT how you dance the Frolarhyde?

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x09. Also MAJOR SPOILERS FOR RED DRAGON, the movie and novel.

    In this episode:
    • Reidan of the Anglo-Filles podcast joins us!
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x09 "...And the Woman Clothed with the Sun," including Hannibal and Will's new relationship, the reinterpretations of classic scenes, the introduction of Reba, and our concerns about Alana and Margot.
    • Let's have another horrible revelation about Abigail, shall we?
    • Alana is the only one standing between Hannibal and the outside world, which doesn’t seem like a great idea. There’s a reason the president and vp always fly on different planes, Alana.
    • The scene with Dolarhyde’s grandma is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird
    • Reidan brings up the term “scaroused” in reference to Armitage’s Dolarhyde
    • The difference in approach between the re-interpretations of Dolarhyde and Hannibal
    • Why is Reba’s creep radar not going off for Dolarhyde like at all?
    • MAJOR SPOILERS BEGIN. We discuss whether we think Freddie will have the same outcome as the book. Ditto for Will and the end of the Red Dragon storyline.

    Wednesday, July 29, 2015

    079: Hannibal 3x08 "The Great Red Dragon" - ...And the Egregious Censorship of Buttcracks


    In this episode:
    • After a 3 year time jump we catch up with all our old friends and learn just what they've been up to since the "capture" of Hannibal the Cannibal.
      • It's kind of like catching up with your friends after you come back to school from the summer but with more violent family annihilation and better food.
    • Alana is ruling the roost at the psychiatric ward and we're all kinds of psyched for that
    • Why is Hannibal afforded so many special privileges? We know he's not the type to be a super good boy.
      • Also, we're 90% sure he can escape whenever he damn well pleases and is only staying in one place so that Will knows where to find him.
    • Speaking of Will, we're happy to see him happy and Molly's actually nice so there's no chance this isn't going to be wall-to-wall awful as his entire nice life falls apart.
      • Hopefully we'll get to see some interactions that flesh out his relationship with his step-son before the dookie hits the fan, though
    • We're still curious as to what happened with Margot and Alana, as that might be a bright spot in what's sure to be a very freaking dark half a season.
    • Big picture questions about Will as the prototype for the disturbed genius profiler cliche and how that might play into the rest of his story this season.
    • Will hasn't been to see Hannibal in any of the 3 years of his captivity, dude can't be happy about that. At all.

    Wednesday, July 22, 2015

    078: Hannibal 3x07 "Digestivo" - Giggling at the Name of Hannibal Lecter

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x07

    In this episode:
    • Back to our regular schedule! ...BUT AT WHAT COST? (None, really.)
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x07 "Digestivo," including Margot's upsetting discovery and satisfying revenge, Alana's development as a character, Mason's awfulness, and of course, Will and Hannibal's relationship.
    • A brief discussion about the way Hannibal season finales tend to give shape and structure to the rest of the season retroactively
      • If this is what the MID-season finale was like, what the hell is the season finale going to be like?
    • The lighting in Hannibal deserves its own whole discussion
    • Killing Mason was a team effort. Hannibal, Alana, Margot, Will, and Chiyo are the Hannibal universe’s version of the Avengers
    • We all feel really weird that something good happened.
    • We award Hannibal a few points for facilitating the death of Mason, but he’ll probably lose them mad quick.
    • Fio's Internet dropped him from the Skype conversation a few times, so while we were able to edit out continuity issues, there may be some weird syncing errors. 
    • Apparently, the term is esotericism.
    • I just realized, if we ever had Tao Okamoto on, as well as Cleolinda, we would have a podcast consisting of Chiyo, Cleo and Fio. ...I'll let myself out.
    • Notes from Fio: 
      • I spend a while ranting about Hannibal’s color design and getting nowhere. I think what I meant to say was just “It’s impressive that, even though I look back and see that the color design is pretty outrageous, watching it in the moment it never strikes me as something unnatural or emanating from some source that feels inorganic for the scene”
      • Chiyo’s story is done because Chiyo’s story is just beginning. She’s going to move away and settle down in a small fishing village in the company of a blind old cat named Archibald Friskers AND NOTHING BAD WILL EVER HAPPEN TO CHIYO EVER AGAIN SO FUCKING HELP ME GODS, BRYAN FULLER
      • That bit with Cordell’s face definitely reminded me of the way that security guard’s face slides off of Hopkins’ face in Silence

    Friday, July 17, 2015

    077: Hannibal 3x06 "Dolce" - ...And the Bees Are On Fire

    Hannibal (2013) Screencap
    Just a lighthearted get together between old friends.

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x06, as well as spoilers for the Hannibal novel and movie.

    In this episode:
    • Ian was kind enough to join us again at the last minute due to some complications with our guest host having a family emergency to tend to.
    • Everything is Hannibal and everything hurts.
    • There's a lot of movement going on in this episode which is a contrast to the more reserved, philosophical tone of the previous seasons.
    • Bedelia's a canny lady and Gillian Anderson deserves all of the Emmys. All of 'em.
    • Chiyo's motivations are still shrouded in fog, why does she does the things she does?
    • Ian mentions that he was finally getting what the Hannigram shippers see every day. Right before Hannibal ruined it
      • That's what Hannibal does. Freaking ruin things.
    • "Just make it weird." - Bryan Fuller's advice to Vincenzo Natali about how to direct a Hannibal sex scene, probably.
      • Seriously, though, that scene was freaking bonkers.
    • The interesting way the show chose to remix the final dinner scene from the Hannibal book/movie.
    • Apologies again for the lateness of this episode going up. This week has been an utter mess for both of us, though we do hope your week is going better.
    • Here's a link to the Nerdist article that Ian mentioned.
    • In the future we'll still be following our previous schedule and publishing episodes on Wednesday/Thursday so our Canadian listeners have a chance to hear the episode before the new Hannibal episode airs that week.

    Wednesday, July 8, 2015

    076: Hannibal 3x05 "Contorno" - Even the Snails

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x05, as well as spoilers for the Hannibal novel and movie.

    In this episode:
    • Alina of the Anglo-Filles podcast joins us once again!
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x05 "Contorno," including JACK CRAWFORD SMACKDOWN FTW.
    • Seriously, the Hannibal vs Jack fight was satisfying on a frightening level.
    • The Amazon/Netflix rivalry may have killed Hannibal and we are very extremely not happy aboot it.
      • Could we maybe just borrow the leftover blood from the Rihanna set for Hannibal S4, would that defer the cost at all?
    • Lots and lots of stuff from the Hannibal movie going on over here, including the interesting choice to evoke the Ridley Scott version of Pazzi’s death scene
    • Alina’s take on the Verger recasting and possible explanations for the change in Verger’s personality
    • Alina sheds light on the connections between this season of Hannibal and the Lewis Carroll classics Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass
    • Canonically Alina would be correct about the snails being the only beings in the season taking part in coitus if it wasn’t revealed later in the podcast that Hannibal and Bedelia are throwing down.
    • There may be other forms of influence than violence, but so few people on this show choose to use them. At all.
    • We go on a Neil Gaiman roll for a while, including some discussion about Fuller's upcoming TV series adaptation of American Gods
    • The interpretation of Jack’s character in the wake of Bella’s death (How’s that for an inappropriate pun?)
    • In the show we don’t get to see Hannibal play with his food as much as we do in the movies
    • We have a huge Supernatural tangent here
    • One thing we DIDN'T comment on: the return of the image of the dragonfly tableau. 
    • Highlights from Fio's notes:
      • Your freak out about the train reminded me of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and the riverboat scene, which is also tangentially related to the subgenre we slot Alice in Wonderland into later kinda
      • “Yeah, I think Will… er…” my brain just filled that in as “Yeah, I think Wilford” and it was immediately like “Brimley. Why is Ian talking about Wilford Brimley?”
      • I totally don’t get that Dire Ravenstag / LotR reference at all, by the way, hahaha. Ian from the future: In The Two Towers, there's that scene where Aragorn falls off the cliff and a horse comes and wakes him up.
      • Ian, listening to you being completely oblivious to who Dolce & Gabbana are is one of my favoritest things we’ve ever captured on tape.

    Wednesday, July 1, 2015

    075: Hannibal 3x04 "Aperitivo" - Why Not Chilton?

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x04

    In this episode:
    • Fio's triumphant return! W00T!
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x04 "Aperitivo," including Alana's new direction, Chilton trying and failing to get in on the game, Will's creepiness, the new Mason, and Jack and Bella.
    • Iiiiiii'm snailiiiiiiiiiiing awaaaaaaaaaaaay....
    • The complicated rights inherent in the Hannibal cancellation debacle
    • Bryan Fuller thinks he can tighten the show up even further as the rest of us balk
    • The anthology style of this episode
    • The death in the S2 Finale resulting in the rebirth of S3, and the Wolf Man/Dracula/Frankenstein structure of these 3 seasons
    • Our conflicting opinions on the new Verger portrayal
    • You really can’t give Raul Esparza enough credit for his portrayal of Chilton
    • All of the batshit cinematorgraphy in S3
    • Highlights from Fio's notes:
      • Chris Columbus actually directed the first two Home Alone movies which were decent
      • Why did I not bring up Jodie Foster to Julianne Moore as the actor change reference? You’d think that would have been the first one that popped into mind, given what we’re discussing.

    Wednesday, June 24, 2015

    074: Hannibal 3x03 "Secondo" - Hannibal, Buttcracks, and You

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x03, as well as MAJOR SPOILERS for the novels/movies Hannibal and Hannibal Rising.

    In this episode:
    • Vic joins us while Fio tries to get his Internet back up and running.
    • In case you missed it: My thoughts on Primavera, let me show you them.
    • TERRIBLE NEWS: Hannibal has been canceled. D: D: D:
      • BUT: There's a good chance it'll be picked up by someone else! Hopefully. Please.
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x03 "Secondo," including the reinvention of the Mischa backstory, Hannibal and Bedelia's relationship, the connection between Will and Chiyo, Pazzi and Jack, and where this leg (pardon the terminology, Dr. Gideon) of the season may be going
    • There is a question of how far we should push things on Hannibal before it moves into the territory of bad taste.
    • Familiarity between the feelings at the beginning of S2 and the beginning of S3
    • Snails, man. Fuggin snails.
    • The similarity between a lot of the somewhat nonsensical establishing shots in S3 and the ones from Twin Peaks
    • Ian has theories about how the backstory may play out. No wAIT COME BACK
    • Cleo's Antipasto and Mukozuke recaps
    • I have original thoughts. Really.
    • Highlights from Fio's notes:
      • Vic? Weird? Noooooooooooooooo
      • I dunno if I would call that guy’s comment rude, not that I’ve been in that situation before, but when someone makes a comment like Bedelia did I think asking ‘Is this that kind of party?’ is a fair fucking question, man. Note from Ian: Yeah, Hannibal seemed pretty delighted by the question. It's pretty clear that Hannibal kills Dimmond because he's a liability (and to teach Bedelia a lesson, as it were), not necessarily because of any action that could be construed as "rude."
      • Vic is an Avid Fan, hahaha
      • Ian says “we’re running short on time” with half of the episode left, everyone drink
      • Once is all you really ever need to see Hannibal Rising
      • Chiyo isn’t in Hannibal Rising (film), she’s the handmaiden of Lady Murasaki

    Wednesday, June 10, 2015

    073: Hannibal 3x01 "Antipasto" - Implied Applause (in a Can!)

    SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x01, as well as minor spoilers for the novel Hannibal.

    In this episode:
    • Discussion of Hannibal 3x01 "Antipasto," including the cinematography, the soundtrack, Hannibal and Bedelia's relationship, the elements lovingly preserved from the novel Hannibal, and how this premiere compares to previous seasons. Also, OYSTERS AAAAAHHHHH.
    • Seriously, the color composition, the 80s synth, everything about this episode was just damn gorgeous.
    • No redeeming figures present in the episode. Bedelia is close, but even then she’s morally compromised by her collusion with Hannibal, even if it is in the best interests of her own health.
    • Bedelia is linked to water thematically, or at least she will be over the course of the first part of the season.
    • Food is part of Hannibal’s DNA, for better or worse. Mostly better. Like 90% better.
    • The unrestrained theatricality of Hannibal and the unrestrained theatricality of Hannibal
    • The Wolfman > Dracula > Frankenstein cycle of the seasons thus far
    • The feeling of community that comes with live tweeting a show as emotionally upsetting as Hannibal
    • We didn't really spend any time discussing the flashbacks this episode. Our apologies.
    • Notes from Fio:
      • Kafkaesque is the word I was looking for when trying to describe [Cube]. Of all the times I’ve seen that descriptor used in the entirely wrong way, this is the one time it applies and I fucking didn’t say it.
      • We should really have done a closer examination of the two scenes where Bedelia is in the wine shop. By the structure of using those two scenes alone it was obviously supposed to draw more attention to her mental state and her perspective on her situation by contrasting the endings of the two scenes.
      • Regarding film terms: “That was a cinematic trick adapted for print. Death wasn’t talking to the princess. He was actually in his study, talking to Mort. But it was quite effective, wasn’t it? It’s probably called a fast dissolve, or a crosscut/zoom. Or something. An industry where the senior technician is called a Best Boy might call it anything.” I don’t know if we’ve discussed that Sir Pterry quote on the podcast before, but it’s one of my favs
      • God even I hate myself for using the word zeitgeist there.
      • Campy or cartoonish? From the show that brought us the Bee people and Perhorseling? Pshaw.
      • Take a shot every time Ian says “This friggin show.” It’s usually once or twice an episode, so this should actually be alright. (Note from Ian: Unless you include whenever I tag a post on our Tumblr with it. Then you'll be dead before the turn of the next scroll.)
      • Deepcut Demonnames is going to be the title of my first EP
      • One of the things that I forgot to mention but I think could be really cool. I read an interview that implied that we wouldn’t really see Hannibal in his memory palace too much this season, but rather we’d see Will trying to build Hannibal’s memory palace as he chases him down.

    Wednesday, June 3, 2015

    072: A Foretaste of Hannibal Season 3

    SPOILERS FOR HANNIBAL SEASONS 1 & 2 (as well as promotional materials for Season 3)

    In this episode:
    • We're back! Everything is better!
    • Except for Bedelia. Everything is not going to be better for her.
    • We discuss what's to come in Hannibal Season 3, including Hannibal and Bedelia in Europe, the Red Dragon storyline, and the fates of various characters.
    • Hannibal and body horror and you
    • Freddie Lounds (what fourth wall?) interviewed Bryan Fuller about the upcoming season!
    • The amazing comments from NBC's Standards and Practices concerning an upcoming sex scene
    • Characters and actors coming in this season: Richard Armitage as Francis Dolarhyde, Rutina Wesley as Reba McClane, and Nina Arianda as Molly Graham
    • ALSO: Ian released an EP of songs inspired by some of the shows discussed here on the podcast, including Hannibal and Constantine! Check it out!
    • Cleo has, in fact, been Storfying new promo materials and such. Here's what she collected for May.
    • Notes from Fio:
      • The notion of a show creatively doing whatever the hell they feel like would give us pause on another series but in Hannibal’s case it makes us excited which has nothing to do with the fact that we’re fanboys waaaaaaaaay too close to offer objective criticism of the show at all. (To clarify, I think we offer some pretty great crit on the show, but it is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar afield from objective.)
      • We’re starting BowieTruther Watch as soon as the show begins
      • A Matter of Scheduling is going to be our much less popular pre-show podcast.
        • I’m kidding of course, we can barely get this one out on time, how the hell would we swing a pre-podcast podcast.
      • As far as the differences between the back tattoos go, we should also mention that while the Fiennes Dolarhyde did have horns, the emphasis was on the wings, whereas the Armitage Dolarhyde seems to be using the horns in particular to emphasize his shoulderblades.
      • A Matter of Taste Advice: You should always be wary of people trying to get you to eat a lot of oysters, both Game of Thrones and Hannibal are now warning us of this.
      • I know you probably want to claim it, but I’m calling dibs on The Darkened Sideboob as my spinoff podcast. (Note from Ian: Keep an eye out for my upcoming essay, Claiming the Darkened Sideboob, a meditation on NBC's standards and practices)
      • We should actually think about the time travel mechanics work in Outlander and whether or not Claire telling this dude the date of his death will change history and cause it not to happen.
    • "Vide Cor Meum" - Patrick Cassidy and Hans Zimmer | YouTube | iTunes |
    • "This is My Design" and "Iodine" - Ian Doherty | SoundCloud | Bandcamp (JUST RELEASED!) |
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    Wednesday, April 29, 2015

    071: Twin Peaks, Pt. II - Everything Else (sans the Movie)


    In this episode:
    • Cleolinda Jones joins us for our discussion of the second half of the original Twin Peaks TV series!
    • We’re still not entirely positive what’s going on with Lynch re: the Twin Peaks revival.
    • Cleo sheds some light on what was going on behind the scenes in regards to Sherilyn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, and the effects it had on the story
    • The differing perspectives on the first season and the second, both with the audience and the cast
    • Ben Horne’s arc is… iffy.
    • Josie… yeah… Josie and the drawer handle.
    • The places the Nadine Hurley story goes are also maaaaaaaaaad iffy.
    • Tojimura: a whole ‘nother bucket of syrup.
    • The character of Denise, aside from a few missteps, is actually handled pretty well.
    • Lynch showing up in Louie gets touched on.
    • We do manage to tie things back into Hannibal, of course.
    • What could have been if Twin Peaks didn’t have to resolve the Laura Palmer mystery when he was forced to.
    • Announcement: We're taking May off (life happens), but we will be back With a Vengeance for Hannibal Season 3.
    • Highlights from Fio's timestamps:
      • “Then a film noir breaks out” - Cleo on things that should really happen more often.
      • Ben Horne doesn’t know how to people, but in a different way than Hannibal doesn’t know how to people and holy crap Deb from Dexter was in White Chicks. Those… aren’t connected. I have to stop working on the podcast when I haven’t eaten. Imma fix that really quick.
    • "Laura Palmer's Theme" - Angelo Badalamenti (from Twin Peaks) | YouTube | iTunes |
    • "This is My Design" - Ian Doherty | SoundCloud | Bandcamp (Coming June 2015) |
    • "Laura Palmer" - Bastille | YouTube | iTunes |

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    Wednesday, April 8, 2015

    070: Twin Peaks, Pt. I - The Laura Palmer Mystery


    In this episode:
    • Fio's friend Joe joins us once again to discuss the first half of Twin Peaks, which covers the part of the plot centered around the murder of Laura Palmer and the mystery of her killer.
    • We spend a lot of the episode talking about the "phenomenon" that is Twin Peaks and the varying interpretations of the series.
    • How did this show get picked up again?
    • Twin Peaks as a genre mash-up and simultaneous genre deconstruction
    • Twin Peaks doesn’t give a shit about character economy. Twin Peaks laughs at your character economy. Twin Peaks’ idea of character economy is making sure enough scenes take place at the Diner to reasonably expect it to still be open.
    • Twin Peaks is tonally inconsistent and its satire sometimes misses the mark, but that doesn’t necessarily detract from its quality. By that same token, getting put-off by the more arch aspects of the story or performance doesn’t necessarily indicate a problem with your taste.
    • Mark Frost is, in fact, still alive.
    • Fio's notes:
      • The dream logic of Twin Peaks, which we breeze right the fuck by and somehow don’t connect it to Hannibal even though we talk about the dream logic of Hannibal on 9/10 fucking goddamn episodes.
      • “Weep for the generations that will follow us” Okay, so we’re paying homage to Twin Peaks’ melodrama by employing our own melodrama, Joe? hahaha
      • Part of Audrey’s change in character has to do with the fact that Kyle MacLachlan pushed against the romance between the two characters, so the story was reworked to remove them from one another’s pools as love interests, IIRC
      • That “yeah, okay” sounds really sarcastic, but I keep trying so hard to talk before one of you guys gets on another long burn, hahaha
      • When Joe’s talking about dark police procedurals with disregard for female characters I wanted to start ripping into the Following soooooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
      • “The first time you ever saw porn when you were ten, like on accident” Wow, alright, talking about specificity there.
      • Okay, Joe talks about Lynch in no way glorifying violence against women, but I don’t know if that’s particularly the best way of putting it. Maybe we should have said something like the violence in Twin Peaks is never meant to be titillating, it feels more honest because it’s not meant to excite the audience.
      • Cultural diaspora of the female, I don’t really know what that’s supposed to mean…?
      • "The dawn of female television stars" might be a bit of hyperbole

    • "Laura Palmer's Theme" - Angelo Badalamenti (from Twin Peaks) | YouTube | iTunes |
    • "This is My Design" - Ian Doherty | SoundCloud | Bandcamp (Coming June 2015) |
    • "Audrey's Dance" - Angelo Badalamenti (from Twin Peaks) | YouTube | iTunes |
    (Post-It Andy is my favorite Andy.)

      Wednesday, March 18, 2015

      068: Trumpets That Go Bump in the Night

      In this episode:
      • Andy of Lag Time Podcast joins us to discuss horror music!
      • And what a discussion it that we meander a lot and don't really come to any particular revelations about horror music. But we do bring up a lot of cool scores! Here's a list of some of the movies, video games, TV shows, and specific composers and soundtracks we bring up:
        • Terminator
        • Pan’s Labyrinth
        • Hannibal
        • Texas Chainsaw Massacre
        • Friday the 13th
        • Shyamalan movies
        • Akira Yamaoka (naturally)
        • The Ring
        • Twin Peaks
        • The Crow
        • Throne of Blood
        • The X-Files
        • Buffy the Vampire Slayer
        • The Walking Dead
        • Invader Zim
        • Escape from Horrorland
        • Bioshock
        • Resident Evil
        • DayZ
        • Amnesia
        • Slender
        • Five Nights at Freddy’s
        • Vertigo
        • Psycho
      • Horror stories present unique opportunities and challenges compared to other genres, and as such also have their own suite of cliches to go along with it.
      • In case anyone was wondering, Fio is 0% composer.
      • Listen to the end of this episode for the full version of the podcast theme, "This is My Design."
      • Apologizes for the size of the episode file this time around. I wanted improve the audio quality a little bit, since we were discussing music.
      • For those who may have missed it, here is the episode Anglo-Filles where I joined them to discuss soundtracks. 
      • The terms for music/sound in movies: "Diegetic" aaaaand (drum roll)..."non-diegetic." Wow. You'd think it'd be easier for me to remember that.
      • Here's that YouTube video of username Diego_Reynoso playing around with some of the samples Akira Yamaoka used for the Silent Hill games.
      • From Fio: "Dead Souls" is the Joy Division NiN cover on the Crow soundtrack.
      • Also from Fio: The trailer with "Welcome to the Jungle" running over it is Run All Night.
      • Here are the "Real Games of Genius" parodies that Andy and I made:
      • Highlights from Fio's podcast notes:
        • Doesn’t Bobby’s World have an episode about Friday the 13th? On a similar note, remember fucking Bobby’s World?
        • Poll: Is me being really into Iron Maiden in high school predictable or suuuuuuuper predictable? (From Ian: Is it inversely proportional to how predictable it was that I was into Iron Maiden in high school?)
        • “Chorus of Kittens” is among my favorite of the Jhonen Vasquez requests for the composers in Zim.

      • Opening:
        • "Mercedes Lullaby (Nana de Mercedes)" - Javier Navarette (from Pan's Labyrinth) | YouTube | iTunes |
        • "First Crop Circles" - James Newton Howard (from Signs) | YouTube |
        • "The Walking Dead (Main Theme)" - Bear McCreary | YouTube |
        • "Promise (Reprise)" - Akira Yamaoka (from Silent Hill 2) | YouTube | iTunes |
      • Outro: "This is My Design" - written & performed by Ian | SoundCloud | Bandcamp (Coming Summer 2015) |

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      Wednesday, March 4, 2015

      067: Fizzy Dagons & Undead Cameramen

Carmilla text edition:  6/?

      MAJOR SPOILERS FOR WEB SERIES CARMILLA AND FRANKENSTEIN, M.D. Minor spoilers for Adult Wednesday Addams and The Joker Blogs.

      In this episode:
      • Tonight's topic: Horror web series! We cover some recent popular horror web series, including:
      • Most of our discussion revolves around Carmilla and Frankenstein, M.D., since they have the most material to draw from (and Fio didn't get around to watching The Joker Blogs--shame on you, Fio).
      • Adapting Victorian novels into modern web series--who knew it would catch on?
      • Carmilla's and Frankenstein, M.D.'s different implementations of the weblog format
      • Watching characters/actors develop over the course of the series, and comparing how each series end their first "seasons"
      • Adult Wednesday Addams, and the age-old question: How does one best adapt the Addams Family? (Apparently there's a musical. Go figure.)
      • The Joker Blogs, and what it takes from both The Dark Knight Christopher Nolan film and the Batman animated series
      • Apparently there IS a Frankenstein TV series being developed by Fox. Knew I heard about it somewhere. Although clearly not this article, since it just came out.
      • Highlights from Fio's timestamps:
        • 39:30 - Okay, so you say “there’s a lot of blue” but I was doing some writing while listening and totally thought you said “there’s a lot of lube” and I was sitting here like “waaaaaaaaaaaaat”
        • "I don’t think it came out of nowhere" what I should have said was that the rehearsals for a downer ending were definitely there.
        • Victoria: Less of a dick than Victor
        • I realized that the anti-smoking commercial that pissed me off was the one from truth featuring that swipe-left tindr parody song. I mean, the song is obnoxious, but the fact that they close the commercial and that fucking guy jumps up and fucking yells “HASHTAG” is the part that makes me want to go out buy a whole goddamn pack of cigarettes and smoke them at once. (Note from Ian: I have not had the misfortune of seeing this commercial. Yet. *looks over shoulder nervously*)
        • Realtalk, I just like saying Fizzy Dagon
        • When talking about the Addams Family I mention “There are some values they have that we also cherish” but don’t really expand upon it. In case anyone’s confused, I’m talking mainly about the love between Gomez and Morticia here, but that extends to the whole family. The morality of the Addams Family is more of a step to the side of our own rather than the complete opposite.
      • Intro: "This is My Design" - original song, music by Ian. More on this as it develops.
      • Outro: "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" - How to Destroy Angels | YouTube | iTunes |
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      Wednesday, February 18, 2015

      066: Constantine 1x13 "Waiting for the Man" - Angels. What're You Gonna Do?

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      "Midnite. I've come to invite you to join my boy band. Like my personal backlight?"

      SPOILERS UP TO (and including) CONSTANTINE 1x13

      In this episode:
      • Alina of the Anglo-Filles podcast joins us!
      • Discussion of Constantine 1x13 "Waiting for the Man," including the adaptation (or lack thereof) of the comic issue of the same name, the price on Constantine's head, the foggy motivations throughout the episode, and the lack of a season finale climax.
      • WHY NO CHAS.
      • Clearly there was more sexual tension going on between Constantine and Corrigan than either of them with Zed.
      • The Manny reveal: ...the fuck?
      • How did the switch from Liv to Zed end up suiting the series?
      • Constantine season 2: Yay or Nay?
      • Our next episode will be in two weeks (March 5). Trust us, we'll have a topic by then. For reelz.
      • Thanks again to Alina for joining us!
      • Ok, so I went back and re-read the "Waiting for the Man" issue of Hellblazer a bit more, and here's the deal: First of all, the girls don't show their "wedding rings" right off the bat. All they tell "Vesta" is that there's a Man who has a house and he lets them do whatever they want. So of course that's going to be attractive to a young kid whose home life sucks. Second, it's INCREDIBLY clear by the climax of the story that her mind is clouded by some sort of hypnotism/spell/trance, which is why she doesn't just bolt once she finds out about the "wedding rings." So seriously, TV show writers, what was the deal?
      • Again: Let us know if there's anything in particular you want to hear us talk about on the podcast! You can contact us through the various options in the sidebar.
      • Intro: "This is My Design" - original song, music by Ian. More on this as it develops.
      • Outro: "Mice and Gods" - Clutch | YouTube | iTunes |
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      Wednesday, February 11, 2015

      065: Constantine 1x12 "Angels and Ministers of Grace" - Yay, Harold Perrineau!

      SPOILERS UP TO (and including) CONSTANTINE 1x12 and THE WALKING DEAD 5x09.

      In this episode:
      • Discussion of Constantine 1x12 "Angels and Ministers of Grace," including Manny's double-speak, the logistics of the plot, and the awesome dialogue this episode.
      • Various rumors swirl over the fate of Constantine as a TV series. We share our thoughts on the matter.
      • We have a core-four main cast--why doesn't it feel like it?
      • What we hope to see in the finale. Share your own wild mass guessing in the comments!
      • Since our discussion on Constantine ends a bit prematurely, we talk a little bit about this week's episode of The Walking Dead and the *MAJOR SPOILER* that occurs.
      • We also have several divergences within our Constantine discussion into Helix, Haven, Being Human, Fringe, Hannibal, Agent Carter, Arrow, and Battlestar Galactica. But not Divergent.
      • Guys, there's so much stuff we missed in our discussion of this episode: Chas stabbing himself to get them into the ICU, the Heart-of-Darkness monster's kills, Constantine's arc this episode, and various other minutiae that are meant to be nitpicked in podcast form. If there's anything in particular you were hoping we'd talk about and we didn't, let us know in the comments.
      • Intro: "This is My Design" - original song, music by Ian. More on this as it develops.
      • Outro: "Superman" - Lazlo Bane | YouTube | iTunes |
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      Wednesday, February 4, 2015

      064: Constantine 1x11 "A Whole World Out There" - Rutabaga Dashboard

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      "You've forgotten about your English lit midterm."


      "I'm going to fucking murder your hobbit."

      Which do YOU find more threatening?

      SPOILERS UP TO (and including) CONSTANTINE 1x11. Minor spoilers for Coraline (2009) and A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010).

      In this episode:
      • Discussion of Constantine 1x11 "A Whole World Out There," including the return of Ritchie Simpson, the slasher-movie style of this episode, Jacob Shaw, and the cinematography.
      • Mini Lost reunion! Kinda.
      • We discuss the similarities between this episode and A Nightmare on Elm Street.
      • Ian invokes Are You Afraid of the Dark? and brings up the episode "The Tale of Oblivion."
      • No Chas or Zed this episode. Woe.
      • Jeremy Davies makes things more awesome. In general.
      • Seriously, I don't know what sort of connection between voodoo and jars my brain was trying to make.
      • I wanted to get a particular sound clip for the end of this episode, but I couldn't find it. Btw, anyone else remember this guy?
      • Intro music: "This is My Design" - original song, music by Ian. More on this as it develops.
      • Outro music: "Main Title" - Charles Bernstein, A Nightmare on Elm Street (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) | YouTube | iTunes |

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      Wednesday, January 28, 2015

      063: Constantine 1x10 "Quid Pro Quo" - No Faustian Bargain Jokes? Huh.

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      In this episode:
      • You WON'T find any Faustian bargain jokes, or any references to Dr. Faustus. I know. Color me surprised, as well.
      • You WILL, however, find our discussion of Constantine 1x10 "Quid Pro Quo," including our love for all things Chas, recycled stories (and the subversion thereof), the TV portrayal of Felix Faust, and many, many tangents.
      • All in all, though, we really liked this episode. W00T.
      • Everything is Chas and nothing hurts. Well, actually, if you're Chas, everything FREQUENTLY hurts, but--you get what I mean.
      • We have a few digressions, including one on the use of various names for zombies on The Walking Dead.
      • Zed did things, too! Now if only they were character-developing things.
      • We appreciate the writers taking time away from the ~*Rising Darkness*~ myth-arc to spend some time on one of our favorite characters.
      • Somehow I misheard the medium Fennel's name as "Fennelly," so I misname him throughout the episode until Fio finally corrects me. Mea culpa.
      • Thanks to everyone who has been sending in suggestions for what we should discuss in the interim between Constantine and Hannibal! Keep 'em coming; we've got plenty of time to fill.
      • Alina: I completely forgot about your question about Constantine in the hanged man's pose until after we recorded. However, looking back at a screencap, I think the argument can definitely be made.
      • Intro music: "This is My Design" - original song, music by Ian. More on this as it develops.
      • Outro music: "Cat's in the Cradle" - Harry Chapin | YouTube | iTunes |

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      Thursday, January 22, 2015

      062: Constantine 1x09 "The Saint of Last Resorts: Part 2" - We're Back! A Constantine Story

      SPOILERS UP TO (and including) CONSTANTINE 1x09. 

      In this episode:
      • Welcome baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
      • Constantine picks up from the hiatus by immediately resolving the cliffhanger it left us in.
        • Seriously, it takes less than three minutes. I don't feel like this counts as a spoiler, it takes up none of the show's runtime.
      • They still haven't come up with a better name than Rising Darkness™, by the by, so if you're looking for that... this doesn't have it.
      • Zed, though! And Chas! They actually have things to do! Guys, things really happened for real in this episode!
      • There's also momentum and themes, this is uncharted territory for Constantine. Ian and Fio talk about this for a little and come to a resolution of cautious optimism when it comes to the show moving forward.
      • There's a bit of meta-commentary about the actions the characters take and how they're driven less by the character themselves and more from the needs of the writers' room.
        • On the exact opposite end of the spectrum, we discuss the growth of Anne Marie's character in this episode and how she should probably hang around for the immediate future.
      • If any of our listeners are nearing college age, you're welcome. Do your best to find a library that has an account, because it's an amazing resource. If any of our listeners are of college/grad school age, we're assuming you're already super familiar with the OED and will stop patronizing you.
        • Or maybe we won't? Is it part of our charm?
      • Also there are some wacky tangents about Gotham and the Librarians and a whole mess of other stuff, so you'll find "...but Constantine, though" becoming a pretty common refrain over the course of the episode.
      • Intro music: "This is My Design" - original song, music by Ian. More on this as it develops.
      • Outro music: "Welcome Back" - John Sebastian | YouTube | iTunes |

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