Wednesday, July 8, 2015

076: Hannibal 3x05 "Contorno" - Even the Snails

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x05, as well as spoilers for the Hannibal novel and movie.

In this episode:
  • Alina of the Anglo-Filles podcast joins us once again!
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x05 "Contorno," including JACK CRAWFORD SMACKDOWN FTW.
  • Seriously, the Hannibal vs Jack fight was satisfying on a frightening level.
  • The Amazon/Netflix rivalry may have killed Hannibal and we are very extremely not happy aboot it.
    • Could we maybe just borrow the leftover blood from the Rihanna set for Hannibal S4, would that defer the cost at all?
  • Lots and lots of stuff from the Hannibal movie going on over here, including the interesting choice to evoke the Ridley Scott version of Pazzi’s death scene
  • Alina’s take on the Verger recasting and possible explanations for the change in Verger’s personality
  • Alina sheds light on the connections between this season of Hannibal and the Lewis Carroll classics Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass
  • Canonically Alina would be correct about the snails being the only beings in the season taking part in coitus if it wasn’t revealed later in the podcast that Hannibal and Bedelia are throwing down.
  • There may be other forms of influence than violence, but so few people on this show choose to use them. At all.
  • We go on a Neil Gaiman roll for a while, including some discussion about Fuller's upcoming TV series adaptation of American Gods
  • The interpretation of Jack’s character in the wake of Bella’s death (How’s that for an inappropriate pun?)
  • In the show we don’t get to see Hannibal play with his food as much as we do in the movies
  • We have a huge Supernatural tangent here
  • One thing we DIDN'T comment on: the return of the image of the dragonfly tableau. 
  • Highlights from Fio's notes:
    • Your freak out about the train reminded me of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and the riverboat scene, which is also tangentially related to the subgenre we slot Alice in Wonderland into later kinda
    • “Yeah, I think Will… er…” my brain just filled that in as “Yeah, I think Wilford” and it was immediately like “Brimley. Why is Ian talking about Wilford Brimley?”
    • I totally don’t get that Dire Ravenstag / LotR reference at all, by the way, hahaha. Ian from the future: In The Two Towers, there's that scene where Aragorn falls off the cliff and a horse comes and wakes him up.
    • Ian, listening to you being completely oblivious to who Dolce & Gabbana are is one of my favoritest things we’ve ever captured on tape.


  1. The scene was a direct adaptation from the book.

  2. I agree for the most about characters making statements with little foundation, but Hannibal does give a little bit of reasoning for why he thinks Pazzi will go for the reward ("gratitude has a short half life"), and later tells Pazzi how he became certain the police weren't coming.

    180 degrees seems too large a discrepancy. I see more continuity between the performances, although they are different.

    I don't understand how Mason can use his arms/hands at all, since his nerves were snapped at neck level. Not that the show is particularly concerned with that sort of realism.

    The chapel was in Palermo in Sicily, which is an island you can't reach from the mainland by train.

    Will tells Chiyoh they'll look for Hannibal in Florence due to Botticelli.

    Although I enjoyed the stag previously, I'm slightly disappointed it's back after Fuller said it died in Mizumono.

    The train in Looking Glass is due to pawns being able to move two squares on their first move. In that time, a steam engine makes sense. On this show, it does not.

    However disturbing the Russian cartoon is, I doubt it's more than Jan Svankmajer.

    The term Ian is searching for might be "portal fantasy", which is still technically "high fantasy" because it mostly takes place in an invented world. Hannibal never explicity breaks the rules of our reality.

    I'm pretty sure the early scenes with Molly will be in daylight.

    I didn't think of Alana as being a devil on the shoulder, because she was being relatively moral and warning Pazzi about what he was doing.

    I though Jack was most morally questionable in season 2, when he recruits an admitted attempted murderer to engage in cannibalism & corpse desecration with a target before goading said target into attempting a murder he can be arrested for.

    Bedelia is presumably still doing the shopping Alana was tracking, and not on lockdown. Unless you're being less literal with the term.

    Will freed the man, but didn't seem to send him to anything or place specifically.

    I agree with Vonnegut, which is why I like this season least.

    Rohl was hired because David Sladd had worked with her and insisted she was best for the part. Another producer had to quit so her salary could go to Rohl. She's also a capable comedic actress on Working the Engels (at least the pilot I saw), although unfortunately the show as a whole is painfully broad.