Thursday, August 20, 2015

082: Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea" - He's a Helper

That's...not a GOOD sound...

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x11

In this episode:
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea," including the adaptation and departure from book material, Richard Armitage and Mads Mikkelsen's performances, Nina Arianda as Molly, and OMGWTFCINEMATOGRAPHY.
  • Dolarhyde trying to pass on the dragon to a new host or to sate it with Will’s family
  • Hannibal has in fact always told the truth, in his own way.
  • Hannibal - Textbook Egotist
  • The measured conversation between Will and his step-son
  • "Wolves in the Heart" and its connection to the duality of Dolarhyde and the Dragon
  • What’s really well done about the home invasion scene is that it allows Molly and Walter to escape without making Dolarhyde do something stupid. They earn their exit.
  • Again, apologies for the delay. This week and next week have been/will be particularly busy for me, so there may be some shuffling again. After next week, though, things lighten up, so we'll definitely be back on schedule for the finale, if not for next week. Hopefully.
  • Huh--I think I was looking for the word "fable" when talking about that Cherokee story, but the site I linked to (which I just found while Googling now) calls it a parable as well.
    • So this story is not actually Native American in origin, it seems to originate from a 1978 book "The Holy Spirit" by Christian Evangelist Billy Graham. Thanks to @munin_and_hugin on Twitter for providing the source.
  • Just one highlight from Fio's notes this week: 46:00 - “I feel like we’ve only been talking for like 45 minutes or so” One minute, Ian. One minute away frOM GLOOOOOORY


  1. I don't have time to listen to this yet, but Hannibal has lied numerous times, even specifically to Alana, in the first season alone. He knocks Alana out and claimed Nick Boyle did it. He tells Alana he gave Abigail "half a valium" rather than hallucinogenic mushrooms. When Alana produces the distorted clock Will drew, Hannibal claims Will had been drawing correct ones for him. It would be extraordinary if Hannibal got away with all the crazy things he's done without lying.

  2. It's less clear on the show that Dolarhyde is trying to stop. We don't see him struggle with the Dragon before eating the painting, and as you mentioned the way he eats the painting goes differently, and then he attacks Will's family shortly afterward. I never got the impression that he thought Will might become the Dragon (or that Hannibal was suggesting it), just that the Dragon might be satiated with more victims.

    In the book, Dolarhyde wants to kill Hannibal to absorb his greatness. But he doesn't tell Hannibal that (unlike in the show where he alludes to it).

    Hannibal likes to be playful in his speech on the show, but he has absolutely zero problem with boldfaced lies. I discussed Alana earlier, but he lies to lots of people.

    Alana may be generous with Hannibal's accommodations, but I'm pretty sure that the skylight is imaginary.

    Hannibal's appreciation of Molly isn't "grudging". Respecting other people (in his own way) has never been a barrier to him doing horrendous things to them.

    I doubt even Hannibal thinks he's "helping" Will by sending the Dragon after his family. "Helping" has never been a requirement for him to fuck with people. And he's not at all surprised that Will is angry either.

    "Crazy sons of bitches" is a line from the books. William Petersen in Manhunter says "YOU SON OF A BITCH" like it was written in all caps, because it was in the books as well. I think the first time this show has used that word is when Zeller said "snaggle-toothed son of a bitch", which is spoken anonymously in the book. The aversion to cursing or vulgar language lent a certain odd quality to the earlier seasons, which this season has been discarding.

    Goethe's "two souls" is a quote from Faust. Faust is torn between "sublunar" worldly things and higher aspirations. It is the latter which lead him to sell his soul.

    I don't think the Walter scene works as well if Will was put in a mental hospital by mistake because he was framed. It means Walter isn't learning about actual psychological problems his stepdad had (and possibly still has). Walter does start out by asking if Will is going to kill the guy who poses a threat to them, but he doesn't respond to Will's account (which in the book & a draft of Manhunter includes his meeting with Hobbs' daughter) by saying Will should kill him. Instead he asks the question the show gives to Abigail, whether killing someone even if you have to feels that bad. Then he asks if Will wants a coke as long as Walter's headed to the kitchen. A very different parting note than the show!

    Will seemed plenty emotional after being gutted in Mizumono. Seeing Abigail suddenly reappear only for Hannibal to kill her probably triggered something similar to the attack on his family.

    The Cherokee story of the two wolves reminded me of Max Cady and his "LOVE" vs "HATE" knuckle tattoos in Night of the Hunter. Such an excellent movie.

    The missing essential beat of a werewolf story here is Dolarhyde getting bitten/cursed.

    Dolarhyde's stocking cap is in the book, where he doesn't remove it in a certain scene, unlike in "The Number of the Beast is 666".

    Someone elsewhere hypothesized that the absence of the dogs made Molly more sensitive to the noises of an empty house.

    Dolarhyde's stocking cap is in the book. He doesn't remove it in a certain scene where the show has him doing so in tonight's episode.

    Resentment's blister is a Thomas Harris prose line in the book, which comes across assholish as delivered by Jack. And while Jack may be a dick, he isn't the tiniest fraction of Hannibal's level. Jack's hope for suicide was more humane than the plan to use Gideon to make the Ripper act out in jealousy (though that rebounded on Jack).