Wednesday, August 12, 2015

081: Hannibal 3x10 "...And the Woman Clothed in the Sun" - Dolarhyde's Chairs II: The Chairening

...I think I fought that in a Diablo III boss fight.

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x10, as well as spoilers for the Red Dragon novel/movies.

In this episode:
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x10 "...And the Woman Clothed in the Sun," including Hannibal's changing role, Dolarhyde and Reba's relationship, Will and Bedelia's relationship, and where the season may take us next.
  • How many religious figures has Hannibal been compared to on this show? Can we take some bets on who’s going to be next? (Fio's money’s on Ammit)
  • We appreciate the amount of effort the scriptwriters are making to get these actors all into the same room for certain scenes.
  • The echoes of the Sutcliffe situation felt retroactively in our glimpse at Bedelia’s encounter with her “violent” patient
  • The beastial side of humanity and different beastial facets of nature are a running theme in this episode, which is an area we haven’t really explored yet.
  • We also don’t have the entire story behind the Bedelia/Neil story yet, and since we’ve got 3 more episodes with Gillian Anderson this season, there’s a good possibility we’ll see something more of this before the season is out.*
  • The rehearsals we’ve had for the Red Dragon story over the past couple of seasons
  • From Ian: Looking back at this scene in particular, I realized we never really touched on the fact that Neil's description of Lecter's treatment seems to imply that Hannibal is essentially programming him (psychic driving, anyone?) to involuntarily start swallowing his own tongue when exposed to certain stressors. The way I was talking about it, I was almost believing it to be a tick that developed naturally from Neil himself somehow, brought to light by Lecter's unorthodox treatment (just goes to show how insidious Hannibal can be, even toward the audience). I think that is an important distinction to make when discussing this scene, especially if when Neil starts talking about the tongue-swallowing to Bedelia, it's her first time hearing about it. At that point she may still be operating in a worldview where she hears that and is like, "Wow, this guy really is losing it if he thinks he can swallow his tongue," rather than "That certainly sounds like something Hannibal could make someone do." The big question that needs to be answered is, how close is Bedelia to Hannibal when he refers Neil to her? How much does she know of his darker side at that point in time?
  • Highlights from Fio's notes:
    • The Tyger is generally interpreted as highlighting a duality of aesthetic beauty and primal ferocity, so I’m not 100% off base in my interpretation, but I am pretty grade school about it on the podcast
    • When I was talking out “explicit” I was talking about Reba’s comments on other people’s view of Dolarhyde being positive, but it seems like you thought I was talking about the sex scene, so I’m going to leave any freudian judgements up in the air here, haha. Ian from the future: Specifically, the thing that made me go "Oh, this is something that's happening on network television, ok" was Reba going down on Dolarhyde in the living room. ...I was going to say "We've had weirder sex scenes on this show than Reba and Dolarhyde's," but on second thought, I'm not so sure we have, what with the imagery of Reba LITERALLY as the woman in the Blake paintings.



  1. Well, Jimmy Palmer is the assistant Coroner on NCIS...but I'm not sure if either of you watch it.

  2. Not only do printed newspapers still exist on the show, Dolarhyde is shown reading the print edition of TattleCrime.

    I think Hannibal is John the Baptist in that simile, as he arrived to prominence first.

    The poet's name was Anthony Dimmond.

    Bedelia did seem to inconsistently shift between being afraid vs being calm this season. But her inconsistency between seasons has been even greater.

    I remember a number of people theorizing that Bedelia was just in Hannibal's head, before Jack met her. I have no idea why someone would think that of Alana, who was shown interacting with multiple characters from the beginning.

    I never had the impression that the flashback to Bedelia's patient was her account of the event. It's not at all flattering to her, and she's speaking to someone associated with the FBI who would then know that the statement she made in exchange for immunity was a lie and that she can be charged with her patient's murder.

    In previous seasons, Bedelia seemed to believe Hannibal had some sense of ethics/professionalism. Otherwise it would have been pointless for her to caution him about his treatment of Will.

    Dolarhyde deliberately chose a tiger to bring Reba to, so I doubt it's an epiphany out of the blue to him that she's not frightened of it. To borrow a phrase from Rumsfeld, it was a "known unknown" he was looking into.

    It's not just that Mads is doing what other actors have done in the phone call. He also has a very distinct & atypical accent to American ears, which impedes his ability to sound folksy & ingratiating. I also don't think the receptionist is at the BSHCI, if Chilton isn't there any more.

    If Dolarhyde is less distraught when eating the painting in this version, does he still have the same motivation?

    Hannibal's respect/fondness for people has never been a barrier to him doing awful things to them. Just think back to Potage when he slammed Alana's head against the wall.

    There is a scene between Will & Hannibal this episode: Will goes to see him about the symbol. He didn't in the source material, in which he was more reluctant to see Hannibal again. But the show likes its two-handers, so it invented that.