Wednesday, August 26, 2015

082: Hannibal 3x12 " The Number of the Beast is 666(...)" - If You Play Chicken With The Abyss...

(Cue fingersnaps and Dolarhyde getting ready to rumble with some Sharks)


SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x12 and RED DRAGON (Book, Movie, whaddaya got), SILENT HILL (Movies and games), SPAWN (Todd MacFarlane gives good cape), SINISTER, SINISTER 2 (No real spoilers, just that it's terrible)

In this episode:
  • CHILTON'S LIPS FOR THE LOVE OF THE NINE BLOODPISSING HELLS
    • So, that happened.
  • Chilton has layers in this adaptation. Get out your Shrek jokes now.
    • All the love to Raul Esparza
  • Nah, but for real, we spend a lot of time talking about the Dolarhyde/Chilton scene so... you know... strap in for that.
  • Bedelia has moved into a very sinister, alien place in the Hannibal mythos
    • Also, I didn't think we were gonna compare Bedelia to Scully at all, but whatever, here we are, everything's Hannibal and everything Hurts.
  • We also talk about the origins of the Bedelia character as we know her.
  • Will's character progression and how his somewhat-regression-y-motions during this episode are super really important.
  • How certain are we that Will's responsible for Chilton's predicament and how conscious was he about this happening?
  • The fact that Armitage has managed to make his performance so distinct from Fiennes while walking a lot of the same ground is frankly astonishing.
  • Our (super-vague, unsatisfying) predictions for the way the finale is going to shake out.
  • How exactly do you read the last scene between Dolarhyde and Reba?
THERE'S ALWAYS AN ADDENDUM:
  • We're running lean this week this folks, so no real notes from timestamps to speak of, which is a shame, we know you love our sloppy excuse for wit.
  • Lots of thanks to @princess_starr for reminding us how cruel Bryan Fuller can be and to @munin_and_hugin for pointing out the staples (to me at least).
  • Ian delivers "I was lying... on yOUR BEHALF!" really well, if anybody's looking to audition voice actors, give him a ring.
  • Ian mentions Bedelia talking about being Hannibal's bride, but I'm pretty sure she's making a Bluebeard reference in that scene.
    • Just poking you with this one, Ian.
Music:

Thursday, August 20, 2015

082: Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea" - He's a Helper


That's...not a GOOD sound...

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x11

In this episode:
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea," including the adaptation and departure from book material, Richard Armitage and Mads Mikkelsen's performances, Nina Arianda as Molly, and OMGWTFCINEMATOGRAPHY.
  • Dolarhyde trying to pass on the dragon to a new host or to sate it with Will’s family
  • Hannibal has in fact always told the truth, in his own way.
  • Hannibal - Textbook Egotist
  • The measured conversation between Will and his step-son
  • "Wolves in the Heart" and its connection to the duality of Dolarhyde and the Dragon
  • What’s really well done about the home invasion scene is that it allows Molly and Walter to escape without making Dolarhyde do something stupid. They earn their exit.
THERE'S ALWAYS AN ADDENDUM:
  • Again, apologies for the delay. This week and next week have been/will be particularly busy for me, so there may be some shuffling again. After next week, though, things lighten up, so we'll definitely be back on schedule for the finale, if not for next week. Hopefully.
  • Huh--I think I was looking for the word "fable" when talking about that Cherokee story, but the site I linked to (which I just found while Googling now) calls it a parable as well.
    • So this story is not actually Native American in origin, it seems to originate from a 1978 book "The Holy Spirit" by Christian Evangelist Billy Graham. Thanks to @munin_and_hugin on Twitter for providing the source.
  • Just one highlight from Fio's notes this week: 46:00 - “I feel like we’ve only been talking for like 45 minutes or so” One minute, Ian. One minute away frOM GLOOOOOORY
Music:
http://archive.org/download/AMOT082/AMOT082.mp3

Wednesday, August 12, 2015

081: Hannibal 3x10 "...And the Woman Clothed in the Sun" - Dolarhyde's Chairs II: The Chairening


...I think I fought that in a Diablo III boss fight.

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x10, as well as spoilers for the Red Dragon novel/movies.

In this episode:
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x10 "...And the Woman Clothed in the Sun," including Hannibal's changing role, Dolarhyde and Reba's relationship, Will and Bedelia's relationship, and where the season may take us next.
  • How many religious figures has Hannibal been compared to on this show? Can we take some bets on who’s going to be next? (Fio's money’s on Ammit)
  • We appreciate the amount of effort the scriptwriters are making to get these actors all into the same room for certain scenes.
  • The echoes of the Sutcliffe situation felt retroactively in our glimpse at Bedelia’s encounter with her “violent” patient
  • The beastial side of humanity and different beastial facets of nature are a running theme in this episode, which is an area we haven’t really explored yet.
  • We also don’t have the entire story behind the Bedelia/Neil story yet, and since we’ve got 3 more episodes with Gillian Anderson this season, there’s a good possibility we’ll see something more of this before the season is out.*
  • The rehearsals we’ve had for the Red Dragon story over the past couple of seasons
THERE'S ALWAYS AN ADDENDUM:
  • From Ian: Looking back at this scene in particular, I realized we never really touched on the fact that Neil's description of Lecter's treatment seems to imply that Hannibal is essentially programming him (psychic driving, anyone?) to involuntarily start swallowing his own tongue when exposed to certain stressors. The way I was talking about it, I was almost believing it to be a tick that developed naturally from Neil himself somehow, brought to light by Lecter's unorthodox treatment (just goes to show how insidious Hannibal can be, even toward the audience). I think that is an important distinction to make when discussing this scene, especially if when Neil starts talking about the tongue-swallowing to Bedelia, it's her first time hearing about it. At that point she may still be operating in a worldview where she hears that and is like, "Wow, this guy really is losing it if he thinks he can swallow his tongue," rather than "That certainly sounds like something Hannibal could make someone do." The big question that needs to be answered is, how close is Bedelia to Hannibal when he refers Neil to her? How much does she know of his darker side at that point in time?
  • Highlights from Fio's notes:
    • The Tyger is generally interpreted as highlighting a duality of aesthetic beauty and primal ferocity, so I’m not 100% off base in my interpretation, but I am pretty grade school about it on the podcast
    • When I was talking out “explicit” I was talking about Reba’s comments on other people’s view of Dolarhyde being positive, but it seems like you thought I was talking about the sex scene, so I’m going to leave any freudian judgements up in the air here, haha. Ian from the future: Specifically, the thing that made me go "Oh, this is something that's happening on network television, ok" was Reba going down on Dolarhyde in the living room. ...I was going to say "We've had weirder sex scenes on this show than Reba and Dolarhyde's," but on second thought, I'm not so sure we have, what with the imagery of Reba LITERALLY as the woman in the Blake paintings.

Music:
http://archive.org/download/AMOT081/AMOT081.mp3

Thursday, August 6, 2015

080: Hannibal 3x09 "...And the Woman Clothed with the Sun" - Dances Frolarhyde


...Is THAT how you dance the Frolarhyde?

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x09. Also MAJOR SPOILERS FOR RED DRAGON, the movie and novel.

In this episode:
  • Reidan of the Anglo-Filles podcast joins us!
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x09 "...And the Woman Clothed with the Sun," including Hannibal and Will's new relationship, the reinterpretations of classic scenes, the introduction of Reba, and our concerns about Alana and Margot.
  • Let's have another horrible revelation about Abigail, shall we?
  • Alana is the only one standing between Hannibal and the outside world, which doesn’t seem like a great idea. There’s a reason the president and vp always fly on different planes, Alana.
  • The scene with Dolarhyde’s grandma is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird
  • Reidan brings up the term “scaroused” in reference to Armitage’s Dolarhyde
  • The difference in approach between the re-interpretations of Dolarhyde and Hannibal
  • Why is Reba’s creep radar not going off for Dolarhyde like at all?
  • MAJOR SPOILERS BEGIN. We discuss whether we think Freddie will have the same outcome as the book. Ditto for Will and the end of the Red Dragon storyline.
THERE'S ALWAYS AN ADDENDUM:
Music:
http://archive.org/download/AMOT080/AMOT080.mp3