Wednesday, September 2, 2015

084: Hannibal 3x13 "The Wrath of the Lamb" - Hannibal and the Wonderful, Fantastic, Murderous, Very Best Day Ever

None more artful. *sniff*

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) THE HANNIBAL SEASON 3 FINALE, as well as for the novels and movies Manhunter, Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal.

In this episode:
  • Alright, wipe away your tears, time to start talkin’ bout, talkin’ bout the Hannibal finale
  • Vic joins us once again to discuss Hannibal 3x13 "The Wrath of the Lamb," including everything, and all of it happening so very, very much.
  • Running to the end of this season, we basically have a full exploration of Will’s character when it comes to the source material.
  • The article Fio references: Tracking Hannibal Lecter, from Manhunter to Red Dragon
  • Book purist reactions and the deviations from the source material that have been inherent in Fuller’s “remixing” strategy since the beginning.
  • Comparing and contrasting the various Dolarhyde stories, especially in reference to Reba’s story’s conclusion.
  • The problem of Jack becoming more of a side character this season as opposed to his more central role in previous seasons.
    • In her Aperitivo recap, Cleo actually gets deeper into the differing emotional ramifications of the show’s relationship between Hannibal and Crawford and the Book/Movie’s which we touch on only briefly here, but it’s good to mention.
  • Digesting the reaction to the Hannibal Finale (see what I did there?)
  • Is this really as close as we’re going to get to Hannigram Confirmed? 
  • Stay tuned in a couple of weeks for our series retrospective episode with Cleolinda Jones!
  • I got nothin', so here are the highlights from Fio's timestamps:
    • Hashtags are just stupid and funny. I don’t know why, but they are.
    • I don’t agree with Vic’s reading of Red Dragon / Silence of the Lambs / Hannibal in regards to Will Graham vs Clarice, but I think we got away from it before I could interject. In Red Dragon, Hannibal completely fucking destroys Will so bad he becomes nothing more than a footnote in someone else’s narrative by the end of it, but in Hannibal he acknowledges that he can’t even predict how what he did would change Clarice, so I think my reading of the books is kind of the opposite of what he was proposing.
    • Yes you do want to say “fall under Hannibal’s spell” admit it. ADMIT IT IAN
    • Will absolutely will not go to jail after the jailbreak because Murder Wizardry > Real world experience in this show. Every damn time.

Wednesday, August 26, 2015

082: Hannibal 3x12 " The Number of the Beast is 666(...)" - If You Play Chicken With The Abyss...

(Cue fingersnaps and Dolarhyde getting ready to rumble with some Sharks)

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x12 and RED DRAGON (Book, Movie, whaddaya got), SILENT HILL (Movies and games), SPAWN (Todd MacFarlane gives good cape), SINISTER, SINISTER 2 (No real spoilers, just that it's terrible)

In this episode:
    • So, that happened.
  • Chilton has layers in this adaptation. Get out your Shrek jokes now.
    • All the love to Raul Esparza
  • Nah, but for real, we spend a lot of time talking about the Dolarhyde/Chilton scene so... you know... strap in for that.
  • Bedelia has moved into a very sinister, alien place in the Hannibal mythos
    • Also, I didn't think we were gonna compare Bedelia to Scully at all, but whatever, here we are, everything's Hannibal and everything Hurts.
  • We also talk about the origins of the Bedelia character as we know her.
  • Will's character progression and how his somewhat-regression-y-motions during this episode are super really important.
  • How certain are we that Will's responsible for Chilton's predicament and how conscious was he about this happening?
  • The fact that Armitage has managed to make his performance so distinct from Fiennes while walking a lot of the same ground is frankly astonishing.
  • Our (super-vague, unsatisfying) predictions for the way the finale is going to shake out.
  • How exactly do you read the last scene between Dolarhyde and Reba?
  • We're running lean this week this folks, so no real notes from timestamps to speak of, which is a shame, we know you love our sloppy excuse for wit.
  • Lots of thanks to @princess_starr for reminding us how cruel Bryan Fuller can be and to @munin_and_hugin for pointing out the staples (to me at least).
  • Ian delivers "I was lying... on yOUR BEHALF!" really well, if anybody's looking to audition voice actors, give him a ring.
  • Ian mentions Bedelia talking about being Hannibal's bride, but I'm pretty sure she's making a Bluebeard reference in that scene.
    • Just poking you with this one, Ian.

Thursday, August 20, 2015

082: Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea" - He's a Helper

That's...not a GOOD sound...

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x11

In this episode:
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x11 "...And the Beast from the Sea," including the adaptation and departure from book material, Richard Armitage and Mads Mikkelsen's performances, Nina Arianda as Molly, and OMGWTFCINEMATOGRAPHY.
  • Dolarhyde trying to pass on the dragon to a new host or to sate it with Will’s family
  • Hannibal has in fact always told the truth, in his own way.
  • Hannibal - Textbook Egotist
  • The measured conversation between Will and his step-son
  • "Wolves in the Heart" and its connection to the duality of Dolarhyde and the Dragon
  • What’s really well done about the home invasion scene is that it allows Molly and Walter to escape without making Dolarhyde do something stupid. They earn their exit.
  • Again, apologies for the delay. This week and next week have been/will be particularly busy for me, so there may be some shuffling again. After next week, though, things lighten up, so we'll definitely be back on schedule for the finale, if not for next week. Hopefully.
  • Huh--I think I was looking for the word "fable" when talking about that Cherokee story, but the site I linked to (which I just found while Googling now) calls it a parable as well.
    • So this story is not actually Native American in origin, it seems to originate from a 1978 book "The Holy Spirit" by Christian Evangelist Billy Graham. Thanks to @munin_and_hugin on Twitter for providing the source.
  • Just one highlight from Fio's notes this week: 46:00 - “I feel like we’ve only been talking for like 45 minutes or so” One minute, Ian. One minute away frOM GLOOOOOORY

Wednesday, August 12, 2015

081: Hannibal 3x10 "...And the Woman Clothed in the Sun" - Dolarhyde's Chairs II: The Chairening

...I think I fought that in a Diablo III boss fight.

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x10, as well as spoilers for the Red Dragon novel/movies.

In this episode:
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x10 "...And the Woman Clothed in the Sun," including Hannibal's changing role, Dolarhyde and Reba's relationship, Will and Bedelia's relationship, and where the season may take us next.
  • How many religious figures has Hannibal been compared to on this show? Can we take some bets on who’s going to be next? (Fio's money’s on Ammit)
  • We appreciate the amount of effort the scriptwriters are making to get these actors all into the same room for certain scenes.
  • The echoes of the Sutcliffe situation felt retroactively in our glimpse at Bedelia’s encounter with her “violent” patient
  • The beastial side of humanity and different beastial facets of nature are a running theme in this episode, which is an area we haven’t really explored yet.
  • We also don’t have the entire story behind the Bedelia/Neil story yet, and since we’ve got 3 more episodes with Gillian Anderson this season, there’s a good possibility we’ll see something more of this before the season is out.*
  • The rehearsals we’ve had for the Red Dragon story over the past couple of seasons
  • From Ian: Looking back at this scene in particular, I realized we never really touched on the fact that Neil's description of Lecter's treatment seems to imply that Hannibal is essentially programming him (psychic driving, anyone?) to involuntarily start swallowing his own tongue when exposed to certain stressors. The way I was talking about it, I was almost believing it to be a tick that developed naturally from Neil himself somehow, brought to light by Lecter's unorthodox treatment (just goes to show how insidious Hannibal can be, even toward the audience). I think that is an important distinction to make when discussing this scene, especially if when Neil starts talking about the tongue-swallowing to Bedelia, it's her first time hearing about it. At that point she may still be operating in a worldview where she hears that and is like, "Wow, this guy really is losing it if he thinks he can swallow his tongue," rather than "That certainly sounds like something Hannibal could make someone do." The big question that needs to be answered is, how close is Bedelia to Hannibal when he refers Neil to her? How much does she know of his darker side at that point in time?
  • Highlights from Fio's notes:
    • The Tyger is generally interpreted as highlighting a duality of aesthetic beauty and primal ferocity, so I’m not 100% off base in my interpretation, but I am pretty grade school about it on the podcast
    • When I was talking out “explicit” I was talking about Reba’s comments on other people’s view of Dolarhyde being positive, but it seems like you thought I was talking about the sex scene, so I’m going to leave any freudian judgements up in the air here, haha. Ian from the future: Specifically, the thing that made me go "Oh, this is something that's happening on network television, ok" was Reba going down on Dolarhyde in the living room. ...I was going to say "We've had weirder sex scenes on this show than Reba and Dolarhyde's," but on second thought, I'm not so sure we have, what with the imagery of Reba LITERALLY as the woman in the Blake paintings.


Thursday, August 6, 2015

080: Hannibal 3x09 "...And the Woman Clothed with the Sun" - Dances Frolarhyde

...Is THAT how you dance the Frolarhyde?

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x09. Also MAJOR SPOILERS FOR RED DRAGON, the movie and novel.

In this episode:
  • Reidan of the Anglo-Filles podcast joins us!
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x09 "...And the Woman Clothed with the Sun," including Hannibal and Will's new relationship, the reinterpretations of classic scenes, the introduction of Reba, and our concerns about Alana and Margot.
  • Let's have another horrible revelation about Abigail, shall we?
  • Alana is the only one standing between Hannibal and the outside world, which doesn’t seem like a great idea. There’s a reason the president and vp always fly on different planes, Alana.
  • The scene with Dolarhyde’s grandma is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird
  • Reidan brings up the term “scaroused” in reference to Armitage’s Dolarhyde
  • The difference in approach between the re-interpretations of Dolarhyde and Hannibal
  • Why is Reba’s creep radar not going off for Dolarhyde like at all?
  • MAJOR SPOILERS BEGIN. We discuss whether we think Freddie will have the same outcome as the book. Ditto for Will and the end of the Red Dragon storyline.

Wednesday, July 29, 2015

079: Hannibal 3x08 "The Great Red Dragon" - ...And the Egregious Censorship of Buttcracks


In this episode:
  • After a 3 year time jump we catch up with all our old friends and learn just what they've been up to since the "capture" of Hannibal the Cannibal.
    • It's kind of like catching up with your friends after you come back to school from the summer but with more violent family annihilation and better food.
  • Alana is ruling the roost at the psychiatric ward and we're all kinds of psyched for that
  • Why is Hannibal afforded so many special privileges? We know he's not the type to be a super good boy.
    • Also, we're 90% sure he can escape whenever he damn well pleases and is only staying in one place so that Will knows where to find him.
  • Speaking of Will, we're happy to see him happy and Molly's actually nice so there's no chance this isn't going to be wall-to-wall awful as his entire nice life falls apart.
    • Hopefully we'll get to see some interactions that flesh out his relationship with his step-son before the dookie hits the fan, though
  • We're still curious as to what happened with Margot and Alana, as that might be a bright spot in what's sure to be a very freaking dark half a season.
  • Big picture questions about Will as the prototype for the disturbed genius profiler cliche and how that might play into the rest of his story this season.
  • Will hasn't been to see Hannibal in any of the 3 years of his captivity, dude can't be happy about that. At all.

Wednesday, July 22, 2015

078: Hannibal 3x07 "Digestivo" - Giggling at the Name of Hannibal Lecter

SPOILERS UP TO (and including) HANNIBAL 3x07

In this episode:
  • Back to our regular schedule! ...BUT AT WHAT COST? (None, really.)
  • Discussion of Hannibal 3x07 "Digestivo," including Margot's upsetting discovery and satisfying revenge, Alana's development as a character, Mason's awfulness, and of course, Will and Hannibal's relationship.
  • A brief discussion about the way Hannibal season finales tend to give shape and structure to the rest of the season retroactively
    • If this is what the MID-season finale was like, what the hell is the season finale going to be like?
  • The lighting in Hannibal deserves its own whole discussion
  • Killing Mason was a team effort. Hannibal, Alana, Margot, Will, and Chiyo are the Hannibal universe’s version of the Avengers
  • We all feel really weird that something good happened.
  • We award Hannibal a few points for facilitating the death of Mason, but he’ll probably lose them mad quick.
  • Fio's Internet dropped him from the Skype conversation a few times, so while we were able to edit out continuity issues, there may be some weird syncing errors. 
  • Apparently, the term is esotericism.
  • I just realized, if we ever had Tao Okamoto on, as well as Cleolinda, we would have a podcast consisting of Chiyo, Cleo and Fio. ...I'll let myself out.
  • Notes from Fio: 
    • I spend a while ranting about Hannibal’s color design and getting nowhere. I think what I meant to say was just “It’s impressive that, even though I look back and see that the color design is pretty outrageous, watching it in the moment it never strikes me as something unnatural or emanating from some source that feels inorganic for the scene”
    • Chiyo’s story is done because Chiyo’s story is just beginning. She’s going to move away and settle down in a small fishing village in the company of a blind old cat named Archibald Friskers AND NOTHING BAD WILL EVER HAPPEN TO CHIYO EVER AGAIN SO FUCKING HELP ME GODS, BRYAN FULLER
    • That bit with Cordell’s face definitely reminded me of the way that security guard’s face slides off of Hopkins’ face in Silence